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"Anyone who thinks that the Bible is truth AND believes that sex before marraige is ok has to be smoking crack."

Any thoughts?

Date: 2006-08-14 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keltickat.livejournal.com
Absolute truth or a guideline?
Its the ones that believe its Absolute that are probably on the good stuff (the crack I mean).

Date: 2006-08-14 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pythia.livejournal.com
I'm currently trying to find out if by 'truth' he means believing in the whole Bible literally.

Bible Chinese Whispers- hehe

Date: 2006-08-14 06:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sol-crea.livejournal.com
"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters."
It's an oral history. It was passed down, word-of-mouth, father to son, from Adam to Seth, from Seth to Enos, from Enos to Cainan, for 40 generations, a growing, changing, story, it was handed down, word-of-mouth, father to son. Until Moses finally gets it down on lambskin. But lambskins wear out, and need to be recopied. Copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of an oral history passed down through 40 generations.
From Hebrew it's translated into Arabic, from Arabic to Latin, from Latin to Greek, from Greek to Russian, from Russian to German, from German to an old form of English that you could not read. Through 400 years of evolution of the English language to the book we have today, which is: a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of an oral history passed down through 40 generations.
You can't put a grocery list through that many translations, copies, and re-telling, and not expect to have some big changes in the dinner menu when the kids make it back from Kroger's.
And yet people are killing each other over this written word. Here's a tip: If you're killing someone in the name of God — you're missing the message.
~ Nick Annis in the preface to God is Good.

Date: 2006-08-14 06:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adrexia.livejournal.com
Anyone who believes that the Bible is truth - untainted, unchangable truth - is completely mad. The bible contradicts itself so often, that they would have to be mad. It contains the changing traditions and history of the people of Israel. It is a guideline for a society that no longer even exists. You are not supposed to follow every passage to the letter....and if you choose to do so - for the sake of ahh... your soul, learn Hebrew.

Date: 2006-08-14 07:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-legionnaire.livejournal.com
What the above person said. It's impossible to believe the whole Bible literally unless you're happy to accept that your God is schizophrenic. It contradicts itself all over the damn place. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? They don't agree with each other. It also boggles my mind to imagine that there are people who believe that a text can go through 1700 years (the Bible wasn't compiled until the 3rd century CE) of reproduction and translation unchanging. The Bible is a series of texts put together by a Council. The texts that depict the life of Jesus weren't even written in Jesus' time.

Not to mention that the early Christians were a fringe cult who thought that the Apocalypse was going to happen in their lifetimes. The Bible wasn't meant to be followed nearly two millenia later, because we're not even meant to be there.

And anybody who claims to take the Bible literally and also wears polyester is going to Hell for sure.

Date: 2006-08-14 07:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slothphil.livejournal.com
The Bible says the Apocalypse happens within their lifetimes. Gotta be some bloody ancient Jews hiding somewhere...

Date: 2006-08-14 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adrexia.livejournal.com
They are absolutely NOT hiding in my attic. It would be foolish to look for them there.

Date: 2006-08-14 08:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frieza.livejournal.com
"Anyone who thinks that the Bible is truth AND believes that sex before marraige is ok has to be smoking crack."

This sentence can be shortened to:

"Anyone who thinks that the Bible is truth has to be smoking crack."

Date: 2006-08-14 08:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theuns.livejournal.com
There's a difference between truth, and literal.

As for the sex thing - you can readily resolve this conflict by replacing 'sex' with 'unprotected sex'.

Date: 2006-08-14 08:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sol-crea.livejournal.com
Not this debate again...

Date: 2006-08-14 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sol-crea.livejournal.com
Not that there's a debate yet, but ya'know...

Date: 2006-08-14 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theuns.livejournal.com
Nothing to see here, citizen...

Date: 2006-08-14 08:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pythia.livejournal.com
What conflict does that solve? None, as far as I can see.

Date: 2006-08-14 09:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theuns.livejournal.com
If it's only sex if you can get pregnant, playing around before marriage isn't precluded, and you still don't have the problem of children out of wedlock.

Date: 2006-08-14 09:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pythia.livejournal.com
Um...how can it only be sex if you can get pregnant?

Date: 2006-08-14 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sol-crea.livejournal.com
heheheheh
*laughs at you*

cos it's not in my lj this time.

Date: 2006-08-14 09:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theuns.livejournal.com
Depends where you draw the line between 'play' and 'sex'. 8) [And I'll leave it at that, this conversation got way too messy last time]

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